Curse

Sli Ander · Sep 29, 2006, 03:03 AM // 03:03

I don't have much use for mending, but healing breeze has its uses.
I'm only posting in this thread because I just got out of arborstone, and I recalled some energy management comments in here.
During this mission I did half the healing, the rest being picked up by an e/mo(she used earth magic, glyphs, and used res chant for mid battle res's)
I pinged my energy once the entire time.
Here's my point :I wasn't using any energy management skills like the ele. I brought 5 point heals, word of healing,and a condition removal. I tossed in a res, rof, healing breeze(oh my!), and heal party(gasp!).
Healing breeze is always on my bar.
To say that a monk shouldn't carry it is short sighted. To say that a monk should never run out of energy is also short sighted. Because there are always conditions(no pun intended) you can't control. AoE caused heal party to be used a couple times. Healing breeze fought multiple conditions and hexes. Once I hit a certain point spike heals kept them going till we could rest.(by rest I mean the run between groups of baddies)
Due to my secondary(which I never feel like changing) I've never used much energy management other than timing. I'm saddened to hear from the OP that people SPAM these skills. Due to energy cost they are not meant to be. But thats not to say they should be dismissed as useless. I've heard the horror stories about PUG monks(just like every other classes horror stories), and I'm glad to have learned from their mistakes. Let's hope that they do as well.

Off topic: My group was awesome. I think we missed masters by 2 seconds, though I'll have to check the req. They got us through on my first time, and this may account for why healing went so well: an intelligent, well run pug.(and we had a mesmer to so nya!

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But thats just my two cents

Matsumi · Sep 29, 2006, 04:17 AM // 04:17

"<insert player profession here> uses this skill, that's a noob skill, as declared by me, the best player in the universe, and so there forth players like that are bad players."

/rolleyes

Maybe it's just more of the boon prot mentality, but healing breaze is usually on a healer monk's skill bar, and it's usually to keep themselves healed. Because well, orisons does help, but not enough when you need to heal other people continuously. Ethereal Light is easily interrupted, but a good one also. Aside from that, I don't believe I've ever ran into a monk that ONLY spams breaze, I think that's a slight exageration. The only heal party spammers I've seen were E/Mo's.

beta man · Sep 29, 2006, 04:24 AM // 04:24

HB...it could be good

Once i rememeber in The Deep mission, as usual the pug formed go in kill and reach the end where we have to kill Kanaxie in the area where there is degens to every player. All is degening and monk is using Heal party to keep up with the degen as usual. But the quite a few have got so huge DP that heal party is unable to keep up with their degen, and orsion over heal them and prolly lasted 3 seconds before their health degen to the 20%.
I throw HB on them on those very low DP ones, particularly the lower health build battery necro

sometimes team can be so overwhelm by degens by the time u finish casting orsion on the last player, the first one that u cast orsion on is dead, but if u use HB on the first player to controll the degen while u use those +5 energy healing on ur other 3-4 players, u can keep ur first player alive.

HB wasn't noobish, only player does not know what it is use for and see it as a waste of slot and energy.

No skill on this game is useless, only players that does not know how to use it is. Anet would not create a spell that is useless, and if HB was so useless, it would have been updated to maybe 5 energy long ago.

don't flame me, its just my 2 cents

Zui · Sep 29, 2006, 04:37 AM // 04:37

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Originally Posted by beta man

HB...it could be good

Once i rememeber in The Deep mission, as usual the pug formed go in kill and reach the end where we have to kill Kanaxie in the area where there is degens to every player. All is degening and monk is using Heal party to keep up with the degen as usual. But the quite a few have got so huge DP that heal party is unable to keep up with their degen, and orsion over heal them and prolly lasted 3 seconds before their health degen to the 20%.
I throw HB on them on those very low DP ones, particularly the lower health build battery necro

sometimes team can be so overwhelm by degens by the time u finish casting orsion on the last player, the first one that u cast orsion on is dead, but if u use HB on the first player to controll the degen while u use those +5 energy healing on ur other 3-4 players, u can keep ur first player alive.

HB wasn't noobish, only player does not know what it is use for and see it as a waste of slot and energy.

No skill on this game is useless, only players that does not know how to use it is. Anet would not create a spell that is useless, and if HB was so useless, it would have been updated to maybe 5 energy long ago.

don't flame me, its just my 2 cents

Lol.

My only questions are:

1) For what reason did you take Healing Breeze? Obviously you didn't forsee your group being in that horrible situation?

2) You guys are on PvEs, right(Don't answer that, you were PvEing so you were obviously using a PvE...)? Can't you rune swap when you have DP? Can't you switch to a weapon set that has higher health?

3) Why did your group have that much DP?

I'm not trying to say Healing Breeze is useless, because it can be effecient when a single target is constantly taking small amounts of damage, and won't be healed to full by Healing Breeze. I'm just saying Healing Breeze is useless almost all of the time, and is therefore not worth the slot on your bar most of the time. Oh, and for it not being buffed/changed, there are a ton of skills like that, and I'm assuming ANET didn't want to make 55ing even easier, because alot of horrible skills in most situations associated with that build have never been buffed.

beta man · Sep 29, 2006, 05:02 AM // 05:02

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Originally Posted by Zui

Lol.

My only questions are:

1) For what reason did you take Healing Breeze? Obviously you didn't forsee your group being in that horrible situation?

I know there is degens area and i know beforehand the battery necro is running a low health built. And he is very impt to the caster. when he BR sac blood multiple times to BR casters, HB is the choice. He request a healer to bring it and i bought it. it helps with the low DP (60%) players as well during the degen and it is that mission that change my view on HB and not look upon it as some unwanted wasted skill. it is very handy depending on suituation. And sure is handy on the low health built battery as well.
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Originally Posted by Zui

2) You guys are on PvEs, right(Don't answer that, you were PvEing so you were obviously using a PvE...)? Can't you rune swap when you have DP? Can't you switch to a weapon set that has higher health?

60% dp, even then not using any major or superior rune is still very low health.

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Originally Posted by Zui

3) Why did your group have that much DP?

What have that got to do with using HB? Maybe the reason why my group have many DP is because i m in a group that does not quit and will stay till the end, a good fun loving team and not grumpy pug that say things like "HEAL ME", "KILL SOMETHING FASTER WARRIOR" or "WHY DID OUR GROUP HAVE SO MANY DP".
lol, joking.
well, things does goes wrong in game, maybe the healer does not heal on time, maybe the warrior fail to block the oni and let them slip through i can't remember. There will always be error somewhere, it happens to even top gvg,pvp,HA teams as well, so frankly i dont remember why. maybe we lost concentration over a long period of time? or maybe the healer is to blame for the deaths AGAIN?

*map out*

*PlayerNameMonk have left the game

Lews · Sep 29, 2006, 05:06 AM // 05:06

I've only done Arborstone a few times on my Monk ( I don't enjoy PvE ) but I think I used Healing Breeze.

Enchanted Warrior · Sep 29, 2006, 05:06 AM // 05:06

Got rid of my monk, I got tired of all the hate etc if someone died. Just wasn't worth it to me to keep him.

beta man · Sep 29, 2006, 05:08 AM // 05:08

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Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior

Got rid of my monk, I got tired of all the hate etc if someone died. Just wasn't worth it to me to keep him.

well u could have kept it to farm something or to exclusively monk for your guildmates and friends

Priest Of Sin · Sep 29, 2006, 05:09 AM // 05:09

Heal party is a MEGA waste of energy. 15 for a small party-wide heal? There are better heals out there...

This is why I deleted my monk. I don't like being blamed, i don't like being yelled at, and I don't like other pug monks wasting their energy then screaming at the BiP. i have a soft spot for necros as well as monks...

LagunaCid · Sep 29, 2006, 05:39 AM // 05:39

Heal party is very useful when you have to heal AoE damage... Dont be noobish, youll waste much more mana and time using Orison.

Sluggs · Sep 29, 2006, 06:19 AM // 06:19

A little love thread for PuG monks

Let's face it: a PuG monk that doesn't quit, keeps a random group alive to complete the mission/quest has superior monking skills to a monk that is in a guild or well organized group.

Monking a good groups requires no particular skills: equip any cookie cutter skillset, and spam orison/woh. That's it. Team members won't over extend, won't get aggro on you, won't ragequit if something goes wrong... this a monk's holidays. But overall, it's boring and mind numbing: a 5 years old can do it.

Monking a PuG leaves you none of that luxury, you'll have to heal everyone, all the time, not just the tanks. And you'll have to do it while under fire yourself. You'll have to make choices, take risks, find yourself low on energy with health bars going down all around you. You will not-that-rarely have to combat degen and spikes on all 7 meambers all by yourself.

This is fun, and requires true skill.

Yeah, there will be jerks that don't realize you're the only thing that kept him from dying two dozen times in the last minute, but the, there are the non-jerks group, and these can be really rewarding... and seeing some comments here, I surmise there are many "guild monks" that rarely experienced this, because they don't have the skills to keep a PuG group alive, and would just ragequit and aggravate everyone in the PuG.

Hurrah for the real PuG monks!

Shadow of Light · Sep 29, 2006, 06:45 AM // 06:45

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Let's face it: a PuG monk that doesn't quit, keeps a random group alive to complete the mission/quest has superior monking skills to a monk that is in a guild or well organized group.

Yes and no. Just because a monk is in a well-organised group, or guild group, doesn't mean that monk isn't a good monk. It's possible that the monk is an extremely good monk--she just has little opportunity, in that instance, to display her talents.

This is not a bad thing, though it may indeed be boring for the monk.

I think what you're trying to say is that a superior monk can deal with pressure, survive when under heavy fire, doesn't ragequit at the first death, and has a modicrum of patience with people. This I would agree to.

Ghull Ka · Sep 29, 2006, 07:01 AM // 07:01

Aye for this. Three cheers for the hard working PUGmonks.

Eragon Dragonslayer · Sep 29, 2006, 07:20 AM // 07:20

i did make a monk the first time....i took it around and everytime someone died...who did they blame? thats right...me...so i deleted him...then june 6, 2006 rolled around....i decided to make a monk...i practiced healing in partys with henchies....then when i felt i was good enough....i went into PuGs a and did very good...but the thing that still nags at me is......werent monks waaaaay better back then? lets say sept,oct,nov of 2005? now it seems the quality of alot of monks have just went down.....

FrogDevourer · Sep 29, 2006, 08:01 AM // 08:01

Alesia is my favourite pick-up mmonk. She has superior monking skills and she never fails me. The only thing that would improve her monking in PuGs is unyielding aura.

As far as humans are concerned, you'll find one good pick-up monk every now and then (just like other professions), but all in all I see more Breeze/Party spammers than good monks. Even the factions extra healers (Danika, Menhlo, Togo) often isn't enough to balance their lack of monking basics.

Rera · Sep 29, 2006, 08:11 AM // 08:11

GvG monks are the really good monks. Them, and HA infusers. No kind of PvE monking even comes close, PUG, Guild, or whatever.

Bankai · Sep 29, 2006, 08:20 AM // 08:20

You guys are forgetting that a lot of pro monks CAN keep the whole party alive. They just don't like being stressed the whole time because of morons.

And YOU try keeping people alive by pressing two skills when you're having 2 surgers, an axe warrior and -7 degen on you.

Carth` · Sep 29, 2006, 08:21 AM // 08:21

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Originally Posted by Rera

GvG monks are the really good monks. Them, and HA infusers. No kind of PvE monking even comes close, PUG, Guild, or whatever.

Yes, turn it into another PvE players are noobs thread.

Darakus · Sep 29, 2006, 08:23 AM // 08:23

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Originally Posted by Rera

GvG monks are the really good monks. Them, and HA infusers. No kind of PvE monking even comes close, PUG, Guild, or whatever.

I beg to disagree with the above statement as monking for a group fighting at 5 to 1 is a real challenge that cannot be seen too often in pvp. I will admit that healing in pvp requires nerves and talent because you are a priority target but doing so in pve with a group that will over-aggro just for the challenge of it is as fun and requires as much talent.

I'd love for the above poster to try to monk for such a team to see if he would hold to his opinion (which he is entitled to) afterwards.

YunSooJin · Sep 29, 2006, 08:28 AM // 08:28

You people really have a dim understanding of the kind of pressure a gvg monk is forced to deal with.

Sorry, PvP monks > PvE monks. People can flaunt accusations of how PvP'ers are just elitist, but apart from all the PC BS that's the way the ball rolls.